Frank Walker

They have to work with other bishops.

And then all these other sort of what they would call

smaller maybe set of the contests they call different kinds of traditional organizations.

The SSPX is critical to them.

It's because of the strength of Archbishop Lefebvre and what he built that they're able to continue to function.

And the SSPX has always maintained a relationship with Rome, always maintained sort of talks.

They just continue to have contact with each other.

And the amazing thing was that even, you know, they were excommunicated.

Archbishop Lafave was excommunicated by John Paul II.

In the time of Francis, they had a relatively good relationship with Rome, too.

lifted those excommunications so they had sort of a cloud over their head.

So they moved forward.

Benedict opened up openness to the Latin mass and to the trad movement.

So that's where they were.

Then Francis, on one hand, cracked down on the trad movement, trying to push it back, trying to put the genie back in the bottle again.

But in the meantime, he was good to the SSP.

He generally was good to them.

He said, it's okay they do this.

It's okay that they have it.

confessions.