Fred Heiding

Well, let's see in a future world, all the electricity in Massachusetts goes down and no one has any idea what's happening in the code.

And we don't know how to recover from it.

Yeah, I think that's really bad.

I mean, we saw what happened during COVID with just crisis everywhere and it could be so much worse and no one has any idea of how to fix it.

I think that's problematic.

Fred, do you agree, disagree with that?

Yeah, I think all these are really good points.

I think it's really good with optimism.

I'm really pessimistic, and that's why we make for a good conversation partner.

And I always, yeah, I think you're always sort of spot on in everything you say, Josefin.

Some things I think about a lot is that, you know,

So let's say AI makes people develop code quicker.

That's true.

We see it all around right now.

Does AI make you develop secure code?

Well, it depends.

If you ask it to, it will.

But almost no one asks it to for two reasons, right?

People don't think about this because they just say,

create code that can solve task X. Usually people don't think about explicitly telling the AI to make the code secure.