Fred Heiding

We could do that in a way that I think gives policymakers more power to demand security standards.

And that might slow things down, but that could also make us more secure.

I'm pretty positive to such an approach.

I don't think it will happen, but I like to advocate for it.

I think these are really good advices and some things to maybe take that one step more extreme just to do it, right?

Well, let's say something really bad would happen in terms of a totalitarian lock-in happens where the people just don't have control anymore.

That could go quickly because all of these AI models are right now being used as social media companies also use their tools to

Collect what do you think, what do you do, what's your digital footsteps.

And right now that's being used heavily to create ads, right?

And fair enough, that's annoying, but maybe you can live with that.

But that is to a larger degree being used to nudge you into different direction, making you think in a different direction.

So what information do you digest online?

I think it's really important to think this.

I think there's these statistics that the younger generation gets 90% of their news from social media.

Well, what accounts do you follow?

Are these people...

rational human beings who seem to know what they're talking about and present both sides of the arguments.

Maybe I can add one thing, Tristan.

You spend a lot of years, let's say almost a decade, on just trying to figure out how can we counter these incentives of social media, right?

And I think it's fair to say we failed as a society to incentivize social media.