Friedberg

and valuing randomly non-specific degrees just because they come from a good school.

No, but I'm saying if your son or daughter were to go and study computer science at North Carolina State, the biggest thing that you could do is be okay with it. Another example of a school that does a great job of recruiting from non-traditional places. Why would I not be okay with it? No, no, this is my point. I think it's a decision.

No, but I'm saying if your son or daughter were to go and study computer science at North Carolina State, the biggest thing that you could do is be okay with it. Another example of a school that does a great job of recruiting from non-traditional places. Why would I not be okay with it? No, no, this is my point. I think it's a decision.

I'm saying that I'm not saying that you are, but I'm saying that if you make it a big deal, that North Carolina State is somehow worse than some other credentialed school because our social cohort says that those other schools are better. We're part of the problem.

I'm saying that I'm not saying that you are, but I'm saying that if you make it a big deal, that North Carolina State is somehow worse than some other credentialed school because our social cohort says that those other schools are better. We're part of the problem.

Well, you should stop saying top. They're not top schools. They're not top schools anymore. They're not the smartest kids. They're not the hardest working kids. So we should stop saying top schools. These Ivy League schools are not the top schools.

Well, you should stop saying top. They're not top schools. They're not top schools anymore. They're not the smartest kids. They're not the hardest working kids. So we should stop saying top schools. These Ivy League schools are not the top schools.

Well, that's a different thing. I actually think what America needs is what I benefited from at the University of Waterloo, which is an active and vibrant co-op program.

Well, that's a different thing. I actually think what America needs is what I benefited from at the University of Waterloo, which is an active and vibrant co-op program.

I really disagree with you. I don't think that there is an incredibly better way to teach thermodynamics. I think that's a bit of a joke. Okay.

I really disagree with you. I don't think that there is an incredibly better way to teach thermodynamics. I think that's a bit of a joke. Okay.

So then like the universities in America that have these co-op programs, I think are incredible institutions. Again, they're not the typical ones. There are places like Drexel and other places. But now you allow these kids to be in the trenches with people building things. And I just think that that's an incredible gift for them.

So then like the universities in America that have these co-op programs, I think are incredible institutions. Again, they're not the typical ones. There are places like Drexel and other places. But now you allow these kids to be in the trenches with people building things. And I just think that that's an incredible gift for them.

But it's also an incredible opportunity for these organizations to understand the quality of the person beyond some credential. Totally.

But it's also an incredible opportunity for these organizations to understand the quality of the person beyond some credential. Totally.

Didn't Malcolm Gladwell write something which is roughly the equivalent of like, you're better off getting the top 10 student at a non-Ivy versus like the 50th student at an Ivy or something? I don't know, there was like something, like maybe it was like a chapter.

Didn't Malcolm Gladwell write something which is roughly the equivalent of like, you're better off getting the top 10 student at a non-Ivy versus like the 50th student at an Ivy or something? I don't know, there was like something, like maybe it was like a chapter.

Yeah, it's like these kids are excellent. When they're achieving and they're excelling in things that are not subjective. You want to go get those kids. Yeah. You know?

Yeah, it's like these kids are excellent. When they're achieving and they're excelling in things that are not subjective. You want to go get those kids. Yeah. You know?

Let's all commit to hiring as many people as possible from non-traditional schools. Absolutely. I mean, that's what I do already. I mean, it's working.