Gérald Marolf

A lot of it is, you don't need to tie the shoes.

And I had years to accept that fact.

I'm Matt.

Tots, Gaminos, or?

Zanya, triple stick.

Oh, the Zanyas.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dude, this shoe is fantastic.

But why do you put it on in the morning?

Just the looks or also because it's just easy?

do you identify with also with xenia in terms of the personality that the brand has not in a bad way but like no no craft sure sure but not honestly no i'd be i'd be lying in this case i like the product it's comfy and it does the job great brief for a good roger to do work on a

We'll call it the Roger Harry something.

We'll let you know.

do you agree with that binary view of how to win in product physical product or do you think it's different i would agree with a slightly older audience i would not agree with when a kid walks into a jd and wants the features and the price or doesn't care about neither and believes in the bubble they're in so the community or actually separating from that

On apparel, I don't believe in it at all.

But in footwear, I think there's a lot of truth in that.

But there is a very interesting consumer, I think, that shops with a very different filter on.

It's feature king, but it's also, and I think materials make all the difference.

And for me, the amount of times just spending time on sourcing the right materials that are different, that are more premium, and that's why all...

All the Zenyas exist, right?