Gabby Logan

Yeah, you can go do that.

And that's how I think you could start to really build trust and a lovely relationship.

Absolutely.

I mean, one has to be there is a line to be trodden with.

advice which can very easily bleed into criticism or be perceived as criticism and i'm very sensitive to that i think as having worked as a doula for 10 years you know new mums are very vulnerable particularly and you are right in the center of somebody a time in people's lives when you know they are at their most vulnerable so you have to be quite careful and you know i respect that

I offer advice.

I would never say this is what you should be doing.

I will always say, have you thought about maybe?

Do they come to you now for advice?

I think they do because of my 10 years of experience and having brought them up.

I'm not saying that I'm the sage and that I don't know it all.

And things change, of course, you know, I mean.

In my day, I put Jack to sleep on his tummy, which, of course, that changed at the time.

And we had the back to sleep campaign thanks to Anne Diamond.

And that has, of course, cut death substantially.

So, of course, you know, things do change.

And in terms of I remember when Ruben and Lois were born, this is 20 coming up 21 years ago.

It was the contented little baby book.

That was all the rage at the time.

Gina Ford was the, yes, she was quite strict.