Gabby Logan

And then there was the other end of the spectrum.

I was sent two books from two different people.

One was the Gina Ford and one was called The Continuum Concept.

I know The Continuum Concept.

yes i have friends who did that to be more different yes and i sat there full of hormones with two tiny babies thinking what and then realizing somewhere in the middle it is where we need to be yeah i've always been a middle ground person always always always i've always taken the middle quote you know it's middle ground and it and it's about you know taking bits of things and melding it together

i feel i remember trying to have a routine with them because i thought with two i need to have some idea of when they're going to get fed and you know and going to my parents house when they're about six weeks old and my mom is a mother of four and um and my dad was there and um she said and i said oh i'm just gonna go put the babies down or whatever and my dad said oh this is lovely you could have an evening because they go to bed so when you were little you you

guys were just up all the time and my mum looked horrified because basically he just criticized and she said well i kind of liked free-range children so i could see at this point there was i realized like you say you've got to both sides have got to respect that they're a different experience

And that's the advice I give to my children, is that particularly with little ones, particularly the twos, three-year-olds, I said, even if you don't agree in front of them, you have to be consistent and you take it up with them later.

So one thing Michael always did is he always backed me up.

He might say to me later, I don't think you made the right decision there, and then we would talk about it.

You're singing from our hymn sheet, yeah.

You literally have to be consistent.

Yeah, and you can go and kind of argue it out behind closed doors, and then obviously we're right.

But later on, a few hours later, but they need to see that unification, don't they?

They do.

Otherwise they can learn that you can play each other off.

Yes, and very early doors they can learn that as well.

So it's a role you've, it sounds like, the dueling experience as well, you have taken to very naturally.

It's become a big part of your... I love them.

And I love being slightly outrageous with them as well.