Gabby Logan

But what I don't understand is the only way you get good is being obsessed as a kid at some point.

Whatever you, you know, like sport, you've got to be... I suppose those people might have been...

But even that doesn't make any sense because you hear about like any, because I'm slightly obsessed with Gary and Phil Neville after the class of 92 where they just went, those kids were going to make it regardless of whether you said don't come in tomorrow, they were going to come in tomorrow weren't they?

And so that's what I feel it has, you have to have.

And so I don't understand where they just go.

She felt like an example of someone who, I remember when she retired, it was because obviously you could tell she just went, I can't,

i know stuff that he doesn't you know yeah yeah hold on hold on to that yeah yeah yeah that's what you need to think to carry on um yeah can we i just we haven't really spoken about your podcast but i have to ask one thing i i've listened to it and i was watching some of the clips and it's probably not a good thing to end on but i have to ask that interview i saw a review with the guy is aaron de souza by any chance

Yeah, is he the drug god?

The enhanced games, yeah.

I don't know how you held it together.

Well, you sort of were on the cusp of... I was on the edge.

I was on the edge.

How do you... So, if you haven't seen it, though, it was a guy that was advocating the use of drugs in sport.

There was one line he said, well, don't you want to be as...

I should do it on who can do the most crunches.

Sleeping between the brooms or something.

Oh, I love that.

That's nice.

I'll hopefully see you in another lift.

Well, look, we've taken up loads of your time.