Gabby Logan

And he sort of he kind of taught her how to mother because he was a very soft individual.

So he was a psychologist and very into people and what make people tick and how things work with people.

And so was Michael obviously he wanted children.

You said he wanted to get on with it.

Did did he instinctively know how to be a father?

I think by the time he had his children, he was less ambitious because he was established in his career.

So he had the time and the space to be a good father, in fact, and probably had more patience because he was a bit of an older father and wasn't sort of ploughing the career ladder.

Took time out when he needed to act.

And slightly more flexible lifestyle, being your own boss, doing what he did.

Absolutely.

A lot of other...

And also no one was in the office before 10 o'clock in those days and everyone left at six.

Although there was evening work to be done with clients going to the theatre and that kind of thing.

But it was a bit more flexible.

The family life seems, I mean, we know a lot more about your family life than we do a lot of other people because of Jack has used you all as part of his career.

yeah um I mean he's talked a lot about that about kind of how you know how he's done that in a way that actually you all seem to go along with very well and especially you and Michael and that has given you an opportunity to have your own platforms never parents hence midpoint I mean our midpoint well Michael's midpoint very much not a midpoint it's a sort of

Exaggeration midpoint.

Yes.

Mine's sort of a midpoint because, you know, we've all had a sort of complete, well, Michael, complete career change being a performer, which he never wanted to be.

He just looked after performers.