Gabby Logan

He didn't want to be front and centre.

Exactly.

He was very much a backroom boy.

Yeah.

And then from my perspective, I was a sort of, you know, a jobbing actress, which meant that I didn't, I mean, I worked about 10 minutes a year, like so many actors.

And then, of course, the older you get, there's less work.

And

And Jack sort of reframed both of us into this whole new world of, I mean, I hate the words reality TV, but I mean, it was sort of our lives really being documented on TV, on screens.

And does he take enormous credit then for your kind of latter life?

I mean, he has named us the Nepo parents.

we are the Nepo parents we are very much on those coattails but loving it and now you've got the time as well because your kids are grown up and established you've got the time to enjoy this work and feel that you can throw yourself into stuff and I feel that you know my career never really got going because of you know having the three children very quickly and then

I was just forgot to say, too, that my reframe on all of that was that I was very ill after I had Molly.

So I had one, too.

And then I was seriously ill when I had Molly.

There was a flu epidemic.

I got flu.

I then got double pneumonia.

I then got pleurisy.

I was very sick after I had her.

And that made me just slightly think.