Gabby Logan

So she was very caring.

She instilled in you, I think, obviously the capability, but also how to have a family.

Absolutely.

And she'd learnt a lot of that from my father, who was one of four.

And when she met my father, she was, you know, I think floundering a bit because she was an only child with this very strange upbringing.

And again, wartime boarding school in wartime as well.

And he sort of he kind of taught her how to mother because he was a very soft individual.

So he was a psychologist and very into people and what make people tick and how things work with people.

And so was Michael obviously he wanted children.

You said he wanted to get on with it.

Did did he instinctively know how to be a father?

I think by the time he had his children, he was less ambitious because he was established in his career.

So he had the time and the space to be a good father, in fact, and probably had more patience because he was a bit of an older father and wasn't sort of ploughing the career ladder.

Took time out when he needed to act.

And slightly more flexible lifestyle, being your own boss, doing what he did.

Absolutely.

A lot of other...

And also no one was in the office before 10 o'clock in those days and everyone left at six.

Although there was evening work to be done with clients going to the theatre and that kind of thing.

But it was a bit more flexible.