Gabriel Gatehouse

The name of the senator is Stuart Symington, senator from Missouri from 1952 to 1976.

24 years.

He contested the Democratic presidential nomination in 1960, but it went to John F. Kennedy instead.

But, you know, a senior guy, he died in 1988.

So a credible source.

And that really, for me, was the starting point for thinking, OK, these are threads worth pulling out.

Yeah.

And I think, you know, Gordon will know this as well.

Like as journalists, we do the same thing.

Like you really need to get to the source.

And once you get to, oh, well, I heard it from so-and-so, but you can't speak to the original source, then immediately it's of less credibility.

I did actually manage to eliminate one of the links in the chain.

So it's a third-hand report by the time we get to it.

So

You know, it's still third hand.

So it's still third hand with no, certainly when we started off, no corroborating second sourcing, right?

So if Gordon and I were still at the BBC, no way would this make it into a news report, right?

A lot of work had to be done to build up a picture around what other circumstantial evidence could we find to bolster the story.

It's shocking to you.

Generally in Mexico, they were very pro-Brazil, but especially in Guadalajara, because there was this kind of weird dynamic whereby people of Guadalajara felt that players from their own local teams had been snubbed in selection for the Mexican national team.