Gabriel Gatehouse

And the CIA, who had a nice little stash of shellfish toxin and cobra venom and other exotic things that Sidney Gottlieb had prepared, were like, well, we've spent years developing this stuff.

We're not just going to chuck it out.

So what they did was they stashed it in a secret lab.

And when this all came out, obviously, they started looking into it.

I was cognizant of the fact, as you said, Gordon, that most of their efforts were focused, A, not on England football players, but on politicians whom they hated, mostly Fidel Castro, but also that they were mostly, though they're not exclusively political,

Lethal poisons, right?

They were in the assassinations game.

I looked through all of this testimony in the hearing on toxins and buried in the middle of it, they interview this CIA biologist by the name of Nathan Gordon.

And the senators in the committee, they're pushing him on all the lethal stuff and why the CIA was retaining it against their specific presidential order.

And this poor Nathan Gordon, who clearly does not want to be there, right?

He really hates being there.

He's asked for all the cameras to be switched off, but a transcript of his testimony survives.

He keeps saying, well, do you know what, Senator?

We were really more interested in the non-lethal stuff.

And then he says, and I will quote you this.

He says, there are certain substances that can give you a real severe case of the tummies, as we like to call it.

He goes on to say this has a potential application in the field, because if you want to render a certain person out of operation, out of contention at a certain time, at a certain place, this is very, very useful.

So I thought, huh, that's interesting, because that kind of proves that they were into giving people the very self-same thing that Gordon Banks had.

So then I get to the end of this, the 250 pages of this testimony of this report, and there's a little, there's an appendix and a document is attached.

And it's a CIA document dated, I think, March or April 1970.