Gabriel Gatehouse

They swab the toothbrushes, Gordon.

Pay attention.

That's how they do it.

I'll ask Ed the grandson.

Can I just make one point, which is one of the things we examine in the podcast is was it a targeted attack?

If it happened, was it a targeted attack on just Gordon Banks or were they just generally going for the team and see to whom it sticks?

The other thing I would just like to point out is having done a relatively deep dive into Sidney Gottlieb and the poisoning plots, mostly directed against Castro, but also against Patrice Lumumba and various other people, the one thing that really, really stands out

Is the CIA not very good at this?

I mean, I just got to counter you a little bit here, David.

So when Scott learned his spy craft in London, so he spent the Second World War in London.

Maybe that's the answer.

So, yeah, I don't know.

Look, to be honest with you, I've gone backwards and forwards on this.

And, you know, I don't think it'll be a surprise to any of your listeners to say that at the end of it, we don't find a smoking gun.

A bit of paper where it said, you know, Friday afternoon, poisoned an English footballer, went down the pub afterwards to celebrate.

You know, that's not the way these things worked.

What I would say is that I uncovered more compelling circumstantial evidence to support the idea that this could have happened than I could ever have possibly dreamed when I first started.

That for me is the biggest revelation, Gordon, is that you are named after Gordon Banks.

And I have a reaction.

I have a reaction from his grandson who says, I don't want to misquote him, who says, ha, ha, ha, ha, no way.