Gabriel Mizrahi

It was a transgression.

It went against your character.

It doesn't reflect who you are now.

Totally get it.

But...

Corbin pointed out that when most people hear mistake, they think accident.

And if you were really out there referring to your relationship with a 17-year-old as an accident, you might get understandably judged or written off because of that.

Whereas you could talk about how you had a moment when you were 22 where you listened to your hormones over your conscience and

You made a decision that landed you in prison and that's haunted you ever since.

You know, Jordan, I can't stop thinking about the interview you just did with Joe Loya.

Yeah.

Interesting parallel.

I was very moved by that guy's story and not just moved, but like genuinely invested in him, despite the fact that he did a lot of awful things when he was younger.

I was listening to the interview and I was asking myself, like, why am I rooting for this guy so hard?

And I think it was a few things.

One of them is his backstory, right?

The childhood he had, what his father did to him, his background.

It's hard not to empathize with somebody who was very badly hurt when they were young.

Right.

Or at least to understand them.