Gabriel Mizrahi

Or at least to understand what the roots of it are.

Exactly.

Another thing, though, was his extreme ownership, to your point.

He wasn't justifying his crimes.

He wasn't hiding the ball.

He wasn't editing around certain inconvenient facts.

The other thing is just his personality and his style.

He's gracious, he's gentle now, he's reflective.

Yeah, he can be funny.

Yeah, funny always helps.

And he has a long history of living by very different values in service of very different experiences, just like our friend here.

So like, how do you not root for that person, even if you know what they did?

It's almost impossible.

I think we should also talk about this pattern he has of working with people who end up using his past against him.

I think there's probably more for him to know about how that gets created.

I had the same thought.

Like, there's more to that story.

He's saying, I'm tired of constantly being the hero when I'm building a company and making everyone money just to get the rug pulled out for me when they want more.

I can understand why that feels like the narrative that he is living with.

Yeah, he has to dig deeper than that, though, if he really wants to have more control here.