Gagan Sandhu

I think we can mitigate the side effects of ageism a decent bit. Does that make sense?

I think we can mitigate the side effects of ageism a decent bit. Does that make sense?

Will I hire someone who's older? So let me address that. So you also asked whether I would hire someone who is, let's say, over 40 and comes to Zillion. I think the honest answer is yes, I consider everyone. And one of the things I learned early on in my career is to hire the best person for the job.

Will I hire someone who's older? So let me address that. So you also asked whether I would hire someone who is, let's say, over 40 and comes to Zillion. I think the honest answer is yes, I consider everyone. And one of the things I learned early on in my career is to hire the best person for the job.

So if right now, if I'm looking for, let's say, a marketing person who can come in and really take our marketing to the next level, I'll be looking for the skills that will help us get there. If those skills are in a 23-year-old or a 35-year-old or a 47-year-old, doesn't make as much difference as what is the specific thing I'm looking for. And sometimes experience is an asset there.

So if right now, if I'm looking for, let's say, a marketing person who can come in and really take our marketing to the next level, I'll be looking for the skills that will help us get there. If those skills are in a 23-year-old or a 35-year-old or a 47-year-old, doesn't make as much difference as what is the specific thing I'm looking for. And sometimes experience is an asset there.

And I would definitely look at that. So I don't think it's ageism as such. I would put it as it's skills. If you have those skills that I'm looking for. And again, we are a small company. We are a startup. Our needs, our skill needs, might be different from, let's say, Google. That is a 27-, 26-year-old company. They might, oh, probably even 30-year-old company at this point.

And I would definitely look at that. So I don't think it's ageism as such. I would put it as it's skills. If you have those skills that I'm looking for. And again, we are a small company. We are a startup. Our needs, our skill needs, might be different from, let's say, Google. That is a 27-, 26-year-old company. They might, oh, probably even 30-year-old company at this point.

Our needs are different, and our skill needs might be different as compared to some of the established companies.

Our needs are different, and our skill needs might be different as compared to some of the established companies.

Oh, thank you so much, Vince. This was so much fun. Thank you.

Oh, thank you so much, Vince. This was so much fun. Thank you.

Hey, thank you so much, Vince. Thank you so much for reaching out and rekindling old memories from business school. And I'm so happy to be doing this with you. And I'm a fan of you and what you're doing. So thank you so much.

Hey, thank you so much, Vince. Thank you so much for reaching out and rekindling old memories from business school. And I'm so happy to be doing this with you. And I'm a fan of you and what you're doing. So thank you so much.

Yeah, absolutely. And I agree with you that there is a lot of noise around this term. Financial freedom, financial independence, financially independent, retired early. There's a whole fire movement. And also, especially ever since the social media became a dominant force in the society, there are just too many people out there trying to almost... Some of them sound like snake oil salesmen.

Yeah, absolutely. And I agree with you that there is a lot of noise around this term. Financial freedom, financial independence, financially independent, retired early. There's a whole fire movement. And also, especially ever since the social media became a dominant force in the society, there are just too many people out there trying to almost... Some of them sound like snake oil salesmen.

They're like, oh yeah, I'm financially independent. I just have this social media or I do X, Y, Z and I make enough money, blah, blah, blah. I'll tell you what my criteria was. It was fairly straightforward. And I will actually contextualize, right? I'm careful to use the word financial independence and not retirement.

They're like, oh yeah, I'm financially independent. I just have this social media or I do X, Y, Z and I make enough money, blah, blah, blah. I'll tell you what my criteria was. It was fairly straightforward. And I will actually contextualize, right? I'm careful to use the word financial independence and not retirement.

Because those two are different terms, very different context, and very different overall outcomes. For me, financial independence meant I could leave my corporate job and go work on my own and build something from scratch. When I was able to do that, I said, I am financially independent because I can do what I want with my time.

Because those two are different terms, very different context, and very different overall outcomes. For me, financial independence meant I could leave my corporate job and go work on my own and build something from scratch. When I was able to do that, I said, I am financially independent because I can do what I want with my time.