Garrison Davis

And I think ruptures in that normalcy, like the rupture we're experiencing now, provides an opportunity for us to, you know, take an exit ramp, to kind of control the transition, to control our descent.

And that transition, I don't think, will be nearly as pleasant as it could be.

You know, that's why a lot of people call it collapse.

And that transition is being delayed currently.

Both the collapse of the material resources and also the collapse of the financial economic system.

That stuff is being delayed by rent seeking, by new frontiers of exploitation, by ramping up theft in parts of the world that were not as pillaged as other parts of the world, or ramping up surveillance and violence to make it harder to resist.

it's amazing how long it's lasted right like certain group of society has been able to make the rest of society believe that the pie will just keep getting bigger when the the pie has got smaller for most people uh you know for the certainly for the last few decades but arguably you know like lives have become worse for us since the industrial revolution in some ways right exactly

Yeah, it's not like a package deal, right?

Like we can have vaccination against diseases without having superfund sites.

We didn't need one to make the other.

It's not a like this way or the dark ages.

Exactly, exactly.

For example, all London had to do, I mean, I'm oversimplifying, but all London had to do was stop dumping their sewage in the Thames.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a remarkable, it's not that hard.

But like, just look at the disposal of hazardous waste.

And the way that rather than being like, huh, maybe we should stop making waste that will be hazardous for centuries.

For the better part of 100 years, we've just been finding somewhere else to put it.

Yeah, it's like in San Diego, they used to dump it in the bay.

There's a whole part of our bay which used to be a landfill site.