Garrison Davis

And I like to free dive.

Sometimes I'll just be practicing or diving in the bay or whatever.

And you'll dive down and be like...

the fuck is a barbecue grill doing on the bottom of the ocean?

And people just continue to chuck shit into the bay, right?

Like, even though we have another landfill, what we put it now.

No, but you see, James, it's like that barbecue grill was $7 on Timu.

You can't pass up that deal, you know?

Yeah.

And then when it, when it turns out to be absolute crap, it will be on our planet for longer than any of us.

But we've created a system where there's no disincentive to buy a Timu barbecue grill, use it once and then throw it into the bay.

And like, we can't see that that's a problem.

Yeah, right.

Because we're so detached from that, right?

Despite being so connected, we're also so far away from the people who, their misery is a consequence of our consumption or of the system which makes our consumption the way it is.

Exactly.

And, you know, instead of thinking about how we can make society resilient, how we can reasonably and ethically and with consideration for seven generations, use the resources that we have and without endless throughput.

You know?

Yeah.

You have to en-shitify existing services so that you can extract more subscriptions, more payments, more upgrades, whatever the case may be.