Garrison Davis

We'll find a different thing to make batteries out of rather than acknowledging that, like, we've created a system.

Or we'll just go to space.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And trash another planet for another few hundred years.

You know, when you're driving a truck and you have a lot of stuff in it and it's hitting the end of the rev counter, you know, like you're trying to pass someone, it's bouncing, it's in the red zone.

Like we've been running in the red zone, certainly for most of this century, you know, since the industrial revolution or certainly since the end of the second world war.

And like sustainability is a phrase that's been co-opted, but like it's just not possible to keep doing it.

And I think ruptures in that normalcy, like the rupture we're experiencing now, provides an opportunity for us to, you know, take an exit ramp, to kind of control the transition, to control our descent.

And that transition, I don't think, will be nearly as pleasant as it could be.

You know, that's why a lot of people call it collapse.

And that transition is being delayed currently.

Both the collapse of the material resources and also the collapse of the financial economic system.

That stuff is being delayed by rent seeking, by new frontiers of exploitation, by ramping up theft in parts of the world that were not as pillaged as other parts of the world, or ramping up surveillance and violence to make it harder to resist.

it's amazing how long it's lasted right like certain group of society has been able to make the rest of society believe that the pie will just keep getting bigger when the the pie has got smaller for most people uh you know for the certainly for the last few decades but arguably you know like lives have become worse for us since the industrial revolution in some ways right exactly

Yeah, it's not like a package deal, right?

Like we can have vaccination against diseases without having superfund sites.

We didn't need one to make the other.

It's not a like this way or the dark ages.

Exactly, exactly.

For example, all London had to do, I mean, I'm oversimplifying, but all London had to do was stop dumping their sewage in the Thames.