Garrison Davis

Something else you said really struck me, like...

There seems to be, and again, it's not distinct from the colonial impulse, right?

I think about the uplift, civilize, and Christianize, or the white man's burden, or these notions of people who were subject to colonial violence being lesser than or incapable of.

And one of the things I see is the idea that Venezuelan people are not aware of United States imperialism.

I lived with Chileans in Caracas in like the first decade of this century, right?

Like people were extremely fucking aware.

Like I live with people who have been tortured because of United States imperialism.

They played me Victor Jara records and then told me how they chopped his hands off, right?

Yeah.

You're a person on the left.

You have an understanding of the world and world politics and you've studied and traveled.

But like there is a cultural understanding of this, right, which does not require one to attend university.

Can you explain how people because people are weighing on the one hand, we have this Maduro regime.

Mm hmm.

which is killing people, which is imprisoning people, and which is acting as a fundamental constraint on our autonomy.

And on the other hand, we have the Americans dropping bombs.

And we know what the Americans have done to this part of the world.

If you could just talk on that a little bit, explain how people live with that balance.

I think it's a combination of multiple things.

So first, I mean, for many years, the government horribly mismanaged the country and then blamed the U.S.