Garrison Davis

It makes it makes a big difference because especially with bipolar, if you're just taking antidepressants like you're going to be up shit creek.

But the book is a very frank, very honest, very personal.

And maybe this is why people found the book to be, you know, disturbing, because it is a very frank discussion of what it means to be the person who is for so many years in the thick of it.

You know, not not doing sort of objective, detached reporting, but getting in there and mixing it up with these guys like really, you know, skin in the game, committed to the cause, doing investigative journalism in these spaces.

And I mean, I think we both are guilty of this over the years on this beat.

There is this tendency to sort of, you know, exchange war stories like, oh, you know, I got this terrible threat.

I got this terrible threat.

You laugh it off.

And it's like, you know, it's is this.

sort of fact of life that you brush off and you know everyone says oh you're so brave I could never do that and you say well it's not a big deal I deal with it all the time yeah they say that for sure but then you go home and it it is a big deal and people are not yeah as honest about that as they could be I mean in part because admitting that it hurts you makes them double down if they know they got you they're going to keep digging in that spot but like

We don't talk enough about the fact that this destroys us.

Yeah, for sure.

It's a very honest look at what happens when you bottom out on that.

Yeah, of course.

You know, and I am extremely anal about legal stuff.

I was actually going to bring him up.

I was going to bring up Matt Gebert in terms of the number of guys who've moved to West Virginia because they think it's only white.

Yeah, we'll get there in a second.

Like you think about the you're trying to leave the house for a long trip or something like that.

Oh, yeah.