Garry Tan

I mean, hard to say even beyond next year.

I think a lot of it depends on how much smarter the models get and at what rate.

I don't like to be someone who wants technology to slow down.

Mm-hmm.

but right now at the current rate, I feel good.

It's progressing at a pretty fast clip, but it's not mind-blowingly so fast that startups can't exist or business can't exist.

In fact, it's progressing slower than most AI researchers would say it should.

I was sitting with Bob McGrew, who is Chief Research Officer at OpenAI, old friend of mine, and one of the first things he said when

They came up with O1 and the reasoning models was like they released it to the world and it's like nothing happened.

And they thought, oh, well, we built it.

Like they should all come right now.

I was like, no, no, no.

Like that happened like maybe a year, year and a half ago.

We're only now actually bringing it to the business world.

Like only now is it actually having an impact.

Yeah.

I mean, that's one of the lessons for founders.

Even if you can be right, even if you created the thing that a billion people, they're going to use it and it's going to change their lives completely.

Like you literally invented the wheel.

You could invent the wheel and you still got to jam it down people's throats, man.