Garth Tander

So he wasn't coming to Australia.

He had a real presence about him and there was a lot of respect because he knew the game and knew the game very well.

And I mean, so that, him not being around sort of left the team a bit directionless, I think.

And then, yeah, and then Ryan came and Ryan turned up with bleached blonde hair.

That's right.

It was gelled back, not product, but gelled back with one of those sort of headbandy things in it.

And that was when Ryan turned up in a business suit at HRT.

And I was like, what do you think you're going to do here with that?

So he was pretty green.

And if he was sitting here right now, I'd tell him, man, you were seriously, you were green.

But to his credit, he put his head down and

I started to understand the business, but that was part of it, you know, trying to find the right person to compliment Ryan and all the rest of it.

And yeah, that was a period that was pretty tough for the team.

Oh, the bathhouse thing.

Yes.

Yes, because the redress ended up being... So the redress thing back then was if you felt you were guilty, you just fixed it on track, right?

So the fact that he... So the pass that he tried to put on Scotty that sent Scotty off into the grass at the chase, clearly Jamie in the moment was like, yeah...

I was probably guilty.

So that's an admission of guilt when you'd restart to redress it, right?

But he redressed it right as you pull fourth gear coming out of the chase.