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It's like, yeah, it's not bad.

And then I watched you and I was like, yeah, you can see it.

Like you can just, there's just something that you can see when they're driving the race car, you go, yup, they can do it.

And it's just whether all the other makeup, the personality, the temperament, all the rest of it actually all aligns up with the talent, whether they actually make it on their way.

But you can certainly watch young kids on the racetrack, whether it be karting or in a former Ford or Toyota or whatever it is now.

and go, yep, they've got something.

You can see it.

Yeah.

I mean, there's lots of kids that can drive fast.

Yeah, that's right.

There's lots of kids that can drive fast.

But for me, and like I was terrible.

I had terrible temperament when I was the young kid in supercars.

I was terrible.

So I'm certainly not saying I was good at it, but the differentiator now is the temperament, the approach, the way that they can process things, all that sort of stuff.

That's the differentiator for sure.

So what would be- You talk about with your, Jay's your cousin, yeah?

Yeah.

Well, my son, Sebastian, and they've raced against each other a bit, Jay and Sebastian, and I- Have they crashed?

Yeah, probably.