Garth Tander

I think they have.

It would have been Jay's fault.

And I say to Sebastian, as my own son, as I say to anyone, like, you're 100% right.

It's hard work.

Like, there's... The harder you work, the luckier you get.

Yeah.

It's that simple.

So... And...

The problem, say, with karting, for example, is there's so many kids that do so many laps.

They literally live in a go-kart.

Literally weekend, weekend, weekend, weekend, weekend, weekend.

And I say to Sebastian, he can't do that because 15, 16 weekends a year I'm away working and there's other things going on.

So he would race half.

And I said, so you've got to work harder than those kids because they're doing laps, you're not.

So the work that you do to stay up with them will reward you later.

Because when you get to cars, you're not in a race car every single weekend.

So the preparation work that you learn when you're young, the harder you work when you're young, will pay you off when you get to cars.

And then your point's right.

You only get one opportunity because it's so competitive now.

There's very, very few kids that'll get second and third chances to have a career.