Gary Direnfeld

Where do you want to start?

I mean, there are so many ways we can self-sabotage.

You know, underneath it, for many people, it comes from a place of self-worth, David.

You know, am I worthy?

I may not be.

And listen, that's not for everyone.

For others, their growing up experiences might have been that when good things happen, something bad follows.

So they're literally waiting for the other shoe to drop.

And the anxiety, the anxiety of waiting for that shoe to drop, for some people, they take control of that by this self-sabotaging because at least when that shoe drops, it's under their control.

I know it sounds weird.

No.

But that's what makes it a mental health issue.

You know, if that is what I'm used to, if it ain't happening, it's weird, but that's uncomfortable.

And so to restore that sense of comfort, and again, this is all very psychological,

To restore that sense of comfort, we do sabotage ourselves because it brings back what's familiar.

Let me jump in on that.

I love what you just said, that when things are going well, it feels boring.

Yes.

And if you're used to chaos, that boredom, that things going well, actually screams at you.

Mm-hmm.