Gary Jubelin

Yeah.

How'd that feel for the first time driving around knowing if the cops pull you over?

I had to sit my hours in that.

How did that nourish you personally?

We're getting it.

Was there any temptation or any just fleeting moment where you thought, fuck it, I'm out of here, I'm back to the old world?

Did you hit that at all?

And we were having a laugh about Danny before we started recording.

He's the world's happiest human being.

I don't know how anyone can be so positive.

You'll hit a hurdle and you'll.

I've got to say, there's something about you in the way that you're delivering it and talking about it.

It gives me the confidence because that's always my concern.

If someone's kicked drugs, well, life gives you kicks in the guts and we're all going to get them.

And whether that's something to draw you back, but there seems to be...

You got good people around you?

That's how far you've come from the world.

I think that's a really powerful statement.

I want to break it down a little bit because I see people that fall back into old habits, but what a great test on him.

That's clever.