Gary Jubelin

So that's – and it's hard.

Let's just talk about how hard it is to turn your life around.

First, how did you kick the drugs?

Very grounding, you know.

There's a lot going for it.

The fact that you're documenting like that, I would imagine that's almost not a safety net, but it makes it harder for you to go back because, yeah, this is what I'm doing.

You'd hate to lose your way on that journey because you'd feel like a hypocrite and a weak prick and everything else.

Yeah, so it's- Let them judge.

Yeah.

There would have been a lot of naysayers that had gone, okay, where is this going to fail?

You had the jail swagger.

Well, you would have to be resilient there because there would have been a lot of – I would imagine a lot of people attacking you going, oh, here we go again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's why you virtually burnt the escape route away once you started posting publicly.

Yeah.

So is that how you started to earn a living?

Yes, I am.

And tell us about your evolving into becoming a citizen.