Gary Jubelin

And forgiving others to find peace for yourself, I think, is an interesting concept.

And it's hard.

Like there's people who have wronged me and I fucking hate them.

But I've also learned that to hang on to that is just – they're not sitting there thinking about me.

I'm destroying myself.

So I understand the forgiveness is for bringing peace to yourself.

Yeah, 100%.

We're going to talk about your life, but most importantly, talk about what you're doing and the direction your life is heading in now and the good positive stuff that you're doing.

I just want to give people a sense, before we talk about your childhood, there was one episode in your life that was, I think, significant, but it gives people an understanding of how low your life was.

Yeah.

I've called it in my notes suicide by cop.

Yes, yes.

You know the incident I'm talking about, and we don't have to put it in context what led up to it or what occurred after it, but just tell us about that incident because I think people will get a sense of how dark the world can be for people.

So can I just, at that particular point in time, just getting a sense of your mindset and your emotional stability at that point.

You want to live the straight life.

You've still got inclination being drawn back to the life that you knew because it's an easier life for you or it's a life that you knew.

You're struggling with the straight life and that was the type of emotions you're going through.

Because the straight life can be hard too, like doing the right thing and looking after people.

Yeah, well, it's a different type of pressure, but the gangster lifestyle that you describe, it'd be high anxiety.

Like, yeah, you enjoy the highs, but the lows can be at any moment, uh,