Gary Jubelin

If that works.

It's not for me, but if it works, it works for you.

Others, you know, physical training and, you know, I think –

What you're doing with the breath work still works with the physical training.

It's not exclusive.

But good on you that you found something that works for you.

And there's a calmness about you because I was looking at some of your past stuff and I think, okay, where are we going with this?

But I felt when you walked in the room, there's an energy there.

It's interesting you mentioned tradesmen.

I started off in the building trade before I joined the cops.

I know people have continued in the building trade and it does take a toll on its body.

It's hard, hard physical work and day in, day out.

But in that space too, they don't get the opportunity to even think about their emotions.

It can be a toxic environment.

When I went through a very blokey environment, I would imagine it's still pretty much the same.

I don't rock up to a building site and you ask, hey, Gary, how are you feeling?

I'm not feeling real good today, I guess.

That conversation doesn't happen.

So I can imagine that it opens up new ways of thinking for people.

Is there any pushback on it, any like negative thoughts on it?