Gary Jubelin

One R. Oh, two.

Oh, right.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, we'll get over being Gary's, but you can be Gaz for the episode.

Thank you.

Now, Gaz, in prepping for the podcast, and I've obviously heard about you and know about you, and a few mutual friends have steered me in your direction.

Danny, Glenn, Glenn Fisher, Danny Shannon, Jeffrey Morgan, all close friends of mine.

Yeah, well, I know them well too, and they all speak highly of you.

I love stories of redemption and they're classics for it.

But also giving people an understanding of what the world of crime is like because I think people are fascinated by true crime.

They are.

But it's almost looking at the surface of it and glorifying it.

You can see the cool things that happen in the crime.

But speaking to people like you, I think it allows people to understand, well, you know, it can be a bit messy in the world of crime.

I know part of your platform now is trying to help people and steer them away from it.

And I think it's an important message.

And demonstrating that it's possible and can be done for a time.

I've also – you've mentioned karma a lot in interviews that you've done or when you're speaking to people.

Do you believe in karma?