Gary Jubelin

And, like, you're talking and just I think our listeners understand, but run your area.

It wasn't sort of you don't want to be the local mayor.

You want to be the local gangster running the corners in the area.

Yeah.

I thought that was cool.

So, okay, where did you start stepping in the crime?

When did you cross the line?

So you had the market there.

Yep.

Looking back, and we'll talk about it as we progress through your life, and you became addicted to drugs and you hit the bottom as a junkie.

Yeah.

You know the dangers.

I'm not asking you now how you feel about selling the drugs.

I just want to get a sense of did you care at that stage?

Did you like the damage that's been done?

So you're not at the time thinking, oh, I shouldn't be doing this.

You're just- Powered by greed.

And intoxicated by power too.

Would that be part of it?

And just we'll let people know that where you're talking up, I'm asking you what were the good points about it from your point of view, but you're looking back now and knowing that it's a putrid world, a world that you don't want to be in.