Gary Jubelin

Maybe they've said that many a time and they've been shown that it was the right advice.

But make them accountable.

Why do you think they're reluctant?

Yeah, I'm confused with the money aspect of it.

A couple of points from what you've said.

You would think an issue about safety, women's safety,

would be a bipartisan approach to it.

I can't see how politics possibly, you know, this party says one thing, so the other party's going to say the opposite.

Wouldn't you have respect for both parties more if they could come together on this and, okay, we'll work on this together?

Like, hold it, we've actually got politicians doing what politicians should be doing and working for the people they represent.

Exactly.

On the fiscal, the monetary side of things, the cost of crime is...

Dealing with crime at the tail end of it when you're putting people in custody is huge.

You've got trials.

You've got everything.

Prevention of crime is fiscally the best way to deal with crime.

Not only fiscally, less victims...

better society, you prevent crime.

It's not about the state elections, whether it's Victoria, New South Wales, or any state in the country.

Invariably, it whips up about a law and order issue, and we're going to get more police, we're going to get tougher legislation, we're going to do this, going to do that.