Gary McKinnon

And when I got arrested, all my data was taken to ONI office of naval intelligence.

So they still have my hard drives.

I've tried to get them back for years and they said, no, it's still an ongoing investigation.

You can't touch it.

Office of Naval Intelligence is the oldest intelligence agency in the US.

I think it's 1882.

And it's often deeply implicated in UFOs.

1882.

1882.

So the National Security Act, which created the CIA, was 1947.

And, you know, and then you had the OSS before that, which was kind of this wartime foreign intelligence effort.

Yeah.

But no, Office of Naval Intelligence well predates all of that.

And you had Thomas Townsend Brown doing a lot of spooky science work for the Navy.

And yeah.

And then you have this guy, Harold Malmgren, who kind of.

ended up giving me kind of a, turned into kind of a deathbed confession at the end of his life.

And it was wild.

I mean, he was like, the Office of Naval Intelligence knows the most about this issue.

And once you go in that door, the door shuts and you can't get let out.