Gary McKinnon

crystals grow with extraordinary purity.

Optical fibers can be drawn with almost no internal flaws, potentially outperforming anything made on the ground.

So it's also not that crazy to assume that we've experimented with this technology for extremely high-value metamaterials used at the highest levels of aerospace.

Now where would such a program be headquartered?

NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston is not only where McKinnon found UFO-related images and spreadsheets.

It's the NASA complex that specifically focuses on human spaceflight.

The notorious line, Houston, we have a problem, refers to mission control at Johnson Space Center in Houston.

So if you were operating a manned spaceflight operation involving a material supply chain, that's exactly where you'd put it.

I should be clear too, like both of us aren't trying to fully pour cold water on UFO crashes.

No, not at all.

I think Roswell happened.

I think that Virginia happened in 1996.

So it's always yes and in the UFO world.

But I think intentional conflations also are systematically done by the intelligence world.

And it's important to be able to parse through all these things.

Yeah.

And of course, it's human nature to super associate stuff with something you want to be true.

So we can all fall down that hole as well.

Yeah, no, of course.

Well, I'm officially shocked.