Gary McKinnon

This is crazy.

I mean, the Navy does do like the most exotic materials stuff as well.

Like there's this place, Naval Surface Warfare Crane that does this.

Battelle Memorial Institute does a lot of exotic material stuff as well.

And so, yeah, I really, I do wonder if, you know, yeah, some of this is human made.

And then if you say it's of alien provenance, then it's this like perfect, you know, kind of black box where like people can interpret it however they want.

And yeah, it's a great shield, isn't it?

Good umbrella.

It is.

And then the fact that, and what's wild is that like, you're now experimenting with

materials like you literally have materials in mind that make the bifold brown effect like you're interested in these anti-gravity experiments that involve some of these chemicals that and materials that you saw yeah which is wild yeah well the um yeah it's um yeah since 2007 since i first read about bifold brown uh how'd you read about it how'd you come across it

I don't remember precisely, but that's early.

Yeah.

It was undoubtedly researching UFO stuff.

Yeah.

Anti-gravity stuff specifically would report me to that.

Um,

But yeah, what attracted me was the fact that you can do this in your home garage or shed or whatever.

You don't have to be a scientist.

You have to be a scientist to understand the mechanism, which no one has yet does.