Gary McKinnon

They're patting her down and pushing her into her room.

Then they come into my room.

I'm in bed and I've got this guy like, Gary McKinnon, I'm Jeff Donson from the National Hightech Crime Unit.

You're under arrest for computer misuse act.

So it's, yeah.

And then from, from that point onwards, the UK was like, okay, with more of kind of a slap on the wrist sort of thing.

And then it was the U S that was like, no, we need to extradite him now.

And then you mentioned they changed the extradition laws to make it this sort of blanket thing that applied to you.

Yeah, definitely.

So when I was first arrested, the National High Tech Crime Unit, who were the arresting body, said to me, you'll do six months inside, maybe community service, maybe no jail time.

Because under UK law, all I did was unauthorized access.

You know, I didn't break anything or steal anything or make money or anything like that.

But then these officers went to America, to ONI, and I must say Office of Naval Intelligence, because there's another ONI.

There's an intelligence, is there?

I think Investigation or something.

I don't know.

And when they came back, they had a very heavy tone, a completely different tone about them.

They were very impressed by meeting with the top brass in Washington.

And, yeah, oh, this guy caused $5,000 of damage on every PC he was on, you know, which is just stupid.

How do you damage the hardware if you just do this, like, software hack that we're calling a hack, but you're using, like, off-the-shelf stuff?