Gary McKinnon

Yeah.

It's like PC Anywhere.

Yeah.

But I think what they call damage is the time it took them to take them offline, so the machines are unusable for a while, investigate them, so it's, you know... You know what?

I...

It feels like kind of white hack hacking to me because you didn't actually end up using any of the files in a way to hurt the U.S.

Again, you can say what you will about Snowden or Assange or any of these guys.

There's nothing you did to knock the U.S.

down a leg.

No, not at all.

Their tactical ability to like, you know, do things.

So it's almost like a white hat hack because the costs they incurred to take the stuff down and reset them, they would have needed to do anyways.

That would have been, what if like a malicious person had like, you know, penetrated all these servers?

That's what I'm saying.

So they're actually extremely lucky.

$5,000?

Where are you buying your PCs from?

No, they should, I mean, literally white hat hackers get paid.

So like, I think they should pay you.

All right.