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Gary Shteyngart

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The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

But so there is this, I mean, the way you talk about eating a bowl of pasta, it's fundamentally erotic.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

So often in a bar I'll see people who are together, they're on some kind of a date, a married couple or a non-married couple, I don't know, and they're both looking at their phones.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

Mm-hmm.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And there is something about a very unfulfilling but very compulsive world, like beckoning, that I think is an enemy of enjoyment.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

There's a lot in there.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

So verbaling is very hard for members of younger generations.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

I know COVID messed them up as well.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

Obviously, people in Generation Alpha, my son's generation, they...

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

That didn't help, obviously, but I think verbaling is just, well, it is what it is.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

Letting sounds come out of your mouth as communication is very hard for people to do, much harder than obviously sending emojis or shortened text messages, etc., stuff like that.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And I think it's interesting when you look at someone who is, for example, doing looks maxing, who is using a hammer.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

Talk about the opposite of joy.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

This anti-even joy.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

You're hammering your cheekbone in to make it a certain metric.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And you feel like this is how you make yourself attractive to women.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

But the real way to make, and this, I learned this as a small furry immigrant without a great deal of good looks, you know, you attract women by verbaling with them and saying interesting things, being an interesting human being, listening to them.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And then

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

getting into conversations with them, having any kind of charisma that allows you to actually interact with somebody of the opposite or the same sex, whatever your preference is.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And this is like, no, we can't do that.