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Gavin Bade

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The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

It wouldn't be an oblique mention.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

And does that leave any of Trump's tariffs intact?

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

Yes, absolutely.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

When you think about the tariffs on specific industries, the tariffs on steel and aluminum products, for instance, on cars and car parts, on trucks, on lumber.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

All of these things were promulgated under what's called Section 232.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

It's a much more often used, much more durable and familiar statute.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

All of those are going to stay in place.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

So, you know, the tariffs on steel and aluminum and products made out of them, those are still in place.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

The ones on cars and trucks, still in place.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

Lumber, etc.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

And there are a number of other investigations that are still being worked through by the Trump administration under this law.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

Kavanaugh, who has been very deferential to presidential powers, saying, well, I think they should have this authority.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

It's under emergency authorities.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

Basically, he has a more expansive view of what the executive branch should be able to do with economic power.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

So not entirely surprising that the justices who dissented decided to do that in this case.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

The majority opinion does not explicitly address the issue of refunds, right?

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

Typically, in a smaller tariff case, if the government takes some tariff money from a company and then it's ruled that it was improper to do so, there's a whole process that you go through with customs to get that tariff money back.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

Those processes are probably not adequate for just this scale for hundreds of billions of dollars of tariff revenue that's come in.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

I would be surprised if that were the case just because there's obvious material harm that these companies can show.

The Journal.
Trump's Tariffs Are Illegal. He's Got a Plan B.

And there have been thousands of claims already filed in court by these companies.