Gavin de Becker

All kinds of criminality.

GlaxoSmithKline had 700 middlemen who were bribing doctors.

And one of the companies that I talk about in the book, the sales guy comes to the CEO and he says, I got a great idea for our product.

Most of the pharma companies are paying doctors to go around and give seminars touting the drug, right?

He said, let's cut that out.

Let's go right to pay the doctors to write the prescriptions.

It was called bribe to prescribe.

We'll pay the doctor to write the prescription and then –

He'll send it to a particular pharmacy, and it's for drugs the patient doesn't need, and then we'll get a kickback from the pharmacy as well, plus we'll sell our product.

The CEO of that company hears that.

He slaps his hand on the table, and he says, we just got our new VP of sales.

They've been convicted, by the way, under the RICO Act.

Merck, other than Vioxx, which caused perhaps 200 deaths in America, they get a $650 million- Wait a minute.

No.

I mean, you go on-

Go online and you'll get a whole different group of numbers.

Oh, sorry.

Yeah, here's a good one from Merck.

And by the way, it could be 600,000 for all we know.

You think somebody's running around trying to do that number accurately at the CDC or at Merck?