Gavin de Becker

That is war.

War is not just the guys on the battlefield with rifles.

That's the low-end element.

The high-end element is supersonic missiles, which Russia has.

And the high-end element is intel and satellite technology and the wide variety of things that are going on, some of which aren't even in the news, by the way, that go on in Russia.

And they say, oh, shit.

or that go on in Ukraine and they say, oh, shit, the Russians have figured out that thing.

But the U.S.

is so far beyond other countries in the world in terms of technology.

And so that is war with Russia.

And you could say that our war with North Vietnam was war with China.

But now there's just no question about it.

So that was a long answer, Stephen, to say I want to get your imagination closer.

We're already at war with Russia.

Well, I've had a lot to do with the agency that's been public over the years.

And I was giving a talk and then afterwards...

They took me on a tour to a CIA museum.

They showed me a lot of things.

Oh, here's the helmet that was worn by that pilot who was shot down over Russia named Powers.

All kinds of interesting memorabilia.