Gavin de Becker

And one of them was a little dragonfly, the size of a dragonfly, and it was mechanical.

And I looked at it real closely and thought, wow, that's really fantastic.

It's very interesting.

And he said, you don't have any questions at all?

I said, no, I mean, I get it.

And he said, why don't you ask me when it was built?

And I said, okay, when was it built?

1967.

In 1967, before we had any miniaturized electronics or motorization, the CIA had built that little thing.

And it was a little camera that would fly around in here as a dragonfly and then, you know, fly home.

And I don't know how many pictures it held.

But it's an interesting piece I want to share with you about AI, which is people wonder, you know, how sophisticated is AI and where is it?

My belief is that everything we have access to, like AI, we probably have something that the U.S.

intelligence had 10 years ago.

We're probably dealing with something quite old already.

Oh, of course.

Of course.

They can turn on our devices, probably your watch if it's an Apple watch, but certainly your phone.

And, yeah, we are participating in...

I won't even call it an experiment, but a process that you read 1984, I'm sure, and most of your audience did.