Gavin de Becker

No question about it.

And poppers.

And Duisburg – Poppers is the big one, right?

Yeah.

Well, poppers certainly causes the specific respiratory issue that was associated with AIDS.

And they kept changing – the NIH and CDC kept changing the definition along the way.

And there's a great line in the real Anthony Fauci, a book I know you read.

Where Bobby says, if you get diagnosed with AIDS in Africa, the fastest way to get cured is go to New York.

You won't be diagnosed with AIDS.

Totally different diagnostic method.

In Africa, it's mostly women.

In the United States, it's mostly men.

And the diagnostic method in Africa includes asking you on a questionnaire whether you've engaged in gay sex.

What does that have to do with an AIDS test?

I took an AIDS test when I was younger and thought, well, this is a test, like a pregnancy test, right?

You test positive, that means you're positive.

Negative means negative.

That wasn't the truth.

It was a highly interpretive test.

And by the way, this documentary I mentioned a couple of times called House of Numbers.