Gavin Newsom

No, I mean, I think that course was set weeks and weeks prior to the tariffs as it relates to the reordering our alliances. Right. J.D. Vance's speech in Munich, the security conference, and talking down and past our allies, and as you said, the ambush in the Oval with Zelensky and the messages that have been sent.

And I can just, let me just reinforce that point of view on the basis of the kind of outreach that I've directly received as governor of a state that happens to be larger than 21 state populations combined, the fifth largest economy in the world, where foreign leaders have reached directly out to California

And I can just, let me just reinforce that point of view on the basis of the kind of outreach that I've directly received as governor of a state that happens to be larger than 21 state populations combined, the fifth largest economy in the world, where foreign leaders have reached directly out to California

And I can just, let me just reinforce that point of view on the basis of the kind of outreach that I've directly received as governor of a state that happens to be larger than 21 state populations combined, the fifth largest economy in the world, where foreign leaders have reached directly out to California

to express that anxiety and concern from a subnational level and look to engage us directly with all the volatility and the uncertainty, again, prior to this tariff announcement coming from the White House. So I think The consequences are off the charts and profound. And it begs then this question, Anthony. Look, we watched Project 2025. I felt some of us were accused of crying wolf on it.

to express that anxiety and concern from a subnational level and look to engage us directly with all the volatility and the uncertainty, again, prior to this tariff announcement coming from the White House. So I think The consequences are off the charts and profound. And it begs then this question, Anthony. Look, we watched Project 2025. I felt some of us were accused of crying wolf on it.

to express that anxiety and concern from a subnational level and look to engage us directly with all the volatility and the uncertainty, again, prior to this tariff announcement coming from the White House. So I think The consequences are off the charts and profound. And it begs then this question, Anthony. Look, we watched Project 2025. I felt some of us were accused of crying wolf on it.

But this sort of shock and awe, this flood in the zone, as Bannon loves to say, he has won speeds. He puts his foot on the gas. There's no break with Trump. Has that even surprised you to the degree that he's moved this early on?

But this sort of shock and awe, this flood in the zone, as Bannon loves to say, he has won speeds. He puts his foot on the gas. There's no break with Trump. Has that even surprised you to the degree that he's moved this early on?

But this sort of shock and awe, this flood in the zone, as Bannon loves to say, he has won speeds. He puts his foot on the gas. There's no break with Trump. Has that even surprised you to the degree that he's moved this early on?

If you don't mind me asking that question for six months. Anthony, I've had, for me, sort of a bookmark in history. Interesting experience. I was there near the end of the Biden administration, the Oval Office. for about 90 minutes up in the residence with President Biden, and then invited back, same guy, same state, same Democrat.

If you don't mind me asking that question for six months. Anthony, I've had, for me, sort of a bookmark in history. Interesting experience. I was there near the end of the Biden administration, the Oval Office. for about 90 minutes up in the residence with President Biden, and then invited back, same guy, same state, same Democrat.

If you don't mind me asking that question for six months. Anthony, I've had, for me, sort of a bookmark in history. Interesting experience. I was there near the end of the Biden administration, the Oval Office. for about 90 minutes up in the residence with President Biden, and then invited back, same guy, same state, same Democrat.

A few weeks later, and I think I was the first Democrat to sit down in the Oval with Donald Trump, and it was 90 plus minutes. And they kept trying to extract us from one another. And it was because it was deeply engaging and personal. He's incredibly charismatic, as you know well.

A few weeks later, and I think I was the first Democrat to sit down in the Oval with Donald Trump, and it was 90 plus minutes. And they kept trying to extract us from one another. And it was because it was deeply engaging and personal. He's incredibly charismatic, as you know well.

A few weeks later, and I think I was the first Democrat to sit down in the Oval with Donald Trump, and it was 90 plus minutes. And they kept trying to extract us from one another. And it was because it was deeply engaging and personal. He's incredibly charismatic, as you know well.

And there's no I doesn't he doesn't want conflict. And I'll be candid with you. It surprised me on the Zelensky. I call it an ambush. I saw that more as an ambush coming from J.D. Vance and the vice president than even Trump, because it's not like Trump to do that. I was surprised because of the interpersonal, because he tends to like that rapport one-on-one.

And there's no I doesn't he doesn't want conflict. And I'll be candid with you. It surprised me on the Zelensky. I call it an ambush. I saw that more as an ambush coming from J.D. Vance and the vice president than even Trump, because it's not like Trump to do that. I was surprised because of the interpersonal, because he tends to like that rapport one-on-one.

And there's no I doesn't he doesn't want conflict. And I'll be candid with you. It surprised me on the Zelensky. I call it an ambush. I saw that more as an ambush coming from J.D. Vance and the vice president than even Trump, because it's not like Trump to do that. I was surprised because of the interpersonal, because he tends to like that rapport one-on-one.

That said, others have different theories, but it's an interesting dynamic that people don't fully appreciate.