Gavin Newsom

And does Washington win every battle?

No, he loses most of his battles.

The big victory at Saratoga is away from him.

He sent Daniel Morgan and most importantly, Benedict Arnold, who becomes the hero of Saratoga for the Patriots.

We can get into Benedict Arnold later.

It's so interesting that Saratoga

For us, it means one thing, and it's actually a much more dynamic, complicated thing that teaches an essential lesson about humanity and the conflicts, not only between people, but within them.

Just as George Washington is wrestling, Thomas Jefferson is wrestling.

They know slavery is wrong.

They know it's wrong.

And the great Harvard scholar Annette Gordon-Reed says, how can you do something if you know it's wrong?

And she comes on camera and says, well, that's the human question for all of us.

Meaning she's not taking Thomas Jefferson off the hook and forgiving him.

She's leaving him on the hook and putting the rest of us for our sanctimonious purpose.

idea of our ability to judge another when we ourselves are walking contradictions and flaws.

So the fact that we had a success, that something was born out of here that turned out to be the greatest country ever.

right, is just spectacular to me and is a wonderful one.

If you just think that it's only spectacular, then you missed a point.

We had some compromises in the Constitution that were

incredibly genius and some that were unbelievably tragic that perpetuated the institution of slavery, even when they knew.