Gavin Newsom

I mean, they were saying, George Washington said, you know, they're treating us like slaves.

They're treating us in the same way that we treat the Negroes over which we have arbitrary sway.

So they know they're using the language of slavery, and they're going, you know, wait a second.

And you find the British going, how is it that this driver of Negroes, George Washington, is having success against us?

I mean, not that they're opposed to slavery.

They're for it.

But every once in a while, they'll offer freedom to those enslaved people of rebels.

As a scholar pointed out in the film, not sure how you tell.

If you're an enslaved person of a loyalist and you hear there's freedom promised, I would say, oh yeah, my master's this.

And so people would just, we think of it as big ideas and they are, they're really important.

And we're going to sponsor revolutions for the next 200 plus years when Ho Chi Minh declares Vietnamese independence in 1945.

He's quoting Thomas Jefferson.

But the decisions that people make are incredibly local.

Where is the daylight that I can get to?

For me, not only me, but my children and my children's children's children.

Like that's the important thing.

If you're enslaved, this is the last thing anybody on earth wants to be.

and you're going to make the decision which you think is the best.

Sometimes that's going to the British.

There's painful, painful moments in New York City which doesn't evacuate.