Gavin Newsom

The British don't leave there until two years and a month after Yorktown.

And what they're doing in those last months is they're adjudicating which of the black people that have been with the British get to go and who have to stay.

So a mother gets to go because she can prove employment with an officer or a loyalist, but the daughter can't.

It's the reverse of the, you know, birthright citizenship, right?

So the daughter goes back to Virginia and is enslaved and the mother goes to Nova Scotia going...

What happened?

And there's two lists.

They're called lists of Negroes.

And every week or so, they meet at Fonce's Tavern in Lower Manhattan.

Still there.

Table's still there.

And four Brits and three Americans determine who gets to go and who doesn't get to go.

And they're horse trading with human lives in a country that had just proclaimed to the world less than 10 years before that all human beings, all men are created equal.

Pretty good story.

So, so much.

I mean, I love your language about this notion of a finished monument versus this notion of unfinished responsibility.

And you keep coming back, this notion of citizenship, active, not inert citizenship, that we have agency, we can shape the future.

We're not bystanders.

I think it was Brandeis who said, in a democracy, the most important office is office of citizen.

This is what Washington knew, right?