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This is part two of my conversation with Nina Fennell.

Before you listen to this, make sure you've listened to part one.

There's a link in our show notes.

Before you listen today, this episode contains stories of child sexual abuse, sexual assault and suicide.

I want to move on to another huge campaign that you worked on, the Let Her Speak, which turned into the Let Us Speak campaign.

Where did that start for you?

I was going to say, it's a lot of money.

It's also making them feel shame when there is no shame at all.

But they asked survivors about it?

Makes it national.

Makes everyone else care.

The media company decided they could do 10,000 every time.

Such an amazing effort that you were able to get those laws changed.

What was that campaign like for you?

It sounds exhausting.

Wow.

And I think Jamie's story is a really good way to explain just how damaging these laws could be.

Can you tell us a bit about her story and how these laws affected her?

That still has a huge impact on your life.